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The "Bring back the old Last.fm" Group Just hit 5,000 Members

 
    • OmarFW said...
    • User
    • 20 Jul 2008, 23:23
    This is not the only thread wanting change to the now crappy last fm.

    Many other people are complaining as well. I'm sure they'll fix it somehow.

    Cuz if they don't, then I guess they're gonna lose a LOT of their users.

    I don't even know why they changed it in the first place, the original layout was ALMOST PERFECT.

    This color scheme and layout is soooo uninviting.
    Ima taco. Deal with it.
    • Raaf3 said...
    • Subscriber
    • 21 Jul 2008, 05:34
    Doubt they'll really lose that many users, but I could be wrong. I'm blocking all ads, but if something kills the site it'll likely be ads more than a crappy design.
  • Great, first the pro-old site lovers link us to their group now we have the pro-new site wankers posting group advertisements?



    In all means, I can't wait to see what the fixes that currently plague the initial release in the coming week(s)
  • Raaf3 said:
    Doubt they'll really lose that many users, but I could be wrong. I'm blocking all ads, but if something kills the site it'll likely be ads more than a crappy design.


    Are you seeing ads? You're a subscriber, if you are seeing ads, report it so they can fix that.
  • Adblock/Flashblock + Adblock Filterset.G Updater = win since it kills about 95% of ads out there.
  • is anybody reading these feedbacks or is it just like... so that one can feel saying something while staff is hoping that everybody will get used to this what has become from last fm? so my question is, and i have read many people have put the same: is there a chance of giving possibilty of choosing between old and new interface?
    • said...
    • User
    • 21 Jul 2008, 18:52
    If you have read the staff responses you would have seen Russ answer your question with a no.
    • Yobachi said...
    • User
    • 21 Jul 2008, 19:21
    Can I get a url to sign up for this group.
  • Yobachi said:
    Can I get a url to sign up for this group.


    Go to the first page of this thread... Or any page, you are likely to find it.
    • BryonS7 said...
    • User
    • 22 Jul 2008, 09:58
    Man there are several people who earn asshats in this thread,

    A shy guy,
    Even free users have the right to complain as we are just as large of, if not a larger, portion of the revenue generation for this site. Websites are paid by unique IP hits per day. All those unsubscribed eyeballs = $. Secondly do you have any idea how valuable this kind of sample data set is. corporate America kills for data samples such as this.

    Enlill - You mentioned that change is the driving force behind evolution, I am not sure if you are familiar with the process of evolution but just as many species fail and die off due to maladaptation as do survive. Change is not always good, when Hitler changed his policy from emigration to extermination that was definitely not a good one. This site layout change's motivation is simple to see, myspace is doing the exact same thing right now. Facebook sold for the most money, they are the template for all the dipshit web devs who are not innovative enough to come up with their own concepts.

    Now don't get me wrong i think the network architecture of this website is brilliant, but all of it is lost to the new layout.

    I am trying to give this new layout a chance but I keep hitting so many dead ends, It's really shitty, and the profile page now is just aggravating seeing the new enlarged adds, enlarged facebook-esque features, and the absence of everything I liked about the site as well everything i used here.

    I hope that at least the option to have the previous layout as an option or have the new features styled in the old fashion does emerge, i think that will solve most everyones grievances.
  • argonianslave said:
    Adblock/Flashblock + Adblock Filterset.G Updater = win since it kills about 95% of ads out there.

    Actually, that = loss.

    http://adblockplus.org/en/faq_project#filterset.g
  • the "bring back the old last.fm" group just hit 10.000 :))
    http://www.last.fm/group/Bring+back+the+old+Last.fm
    i ♥ last.fm - the old one!
    join our group when you want to have it back too
    • said...
    • User
    • 22 Jul 2008, 17:52
    And?
  • so therefore i'd suggest that it's reflecting the wishes of a substantial part of the user-community
    i ♥ last.fm - the old one!
    join our group when you want to have it back too
    • said...
    • User
    • 22 Jul 2008, 18:03
    madperson said:
    it's roughly 60 times the members the "keep new last.fm" has


    And? You think that makes a difference how? Last.fm always worked with their users and will do so in the future. Some people might not like the outcome of that though.

    edit: keep fighting windmills!
    Edited by a deleted user on 22 Jul 2008, 18:03
  • Let's all have a cookie.

    this is .01% of a million. Last.fm has many more users than that. I mean I get what you guys are trying to accomplish, but even 10,000 is a drop in the bucket. I wish Last.fm would post some real user stats. This may be an impressive number at a glance, but what does it really mean. What is 10,000 vocal users to over a million completely abject users? That group really has a long way to go to prove anything by numbers alone. The group may prove more simply by having good comments and suggestions on what is wrong with the new last.fm, because I think that one thing we can all agree on, is that there are a few things wrong with the new site, though we may not all agree on what these things are.

    I've already started to see the posts of people adapting. That doesn't mean that things that don't still need fixing they do.

    We don't need a bring back the old last.fm group, or a Keep the new last.fm group, we need a "FIX the new last.fm" group. Or we need the staff to pull up and maybe admit that this isn't the "new" last.fm, but now an Open beta? I don't know.

    Just my humble opinion
    • said...
    • User
    • 22 Jul 2008, 18:04
    Studogvetmed said:
    We don't need a bring back the old last.fm group, or a Keep the new last.fm group, we need a "FIX the new last.fm" group. Or we need the staff to pull up and maybe admit that this isn't the "new" last.fm, but now an Open beta? I don't know.

    Just my humble opinion


    All true. Think ours is more a sarcastic group pointing out the flaws the other group sees as facts. Just some fun 8)

    Edit:

    And yes more and more people start seeying that the newest version isn't as sucky as some people might try to present. Of course enough work left for last.fm but people are already adapting, just like they did 2 years ago and just like they will do in a few years time when new stuff gets introduced.
    Edited by a deleted user on 22 Jul 2008, 18:06
  • @Studogvetmed
    this is .01% of a million. Last.fm has many more users than that. I mean I get what you guys are trying to accomplish, but even 10,000 is a drop in the bucket. I wish Last.fm would post some real user stats. This may be an impressive number at a glance, but what does it really mean. What is 10,000 vocal users to over a million completely abject users?

    this equation is seriously flawed!

    how many of those 21mio aren't just nominal members but really active? how many of those have visted the site since the relaunch? how many of the visitors know about/care about and actually do join groups (the biggest groups i've come across in last.fm have 'only' some 10k members as well - this one had only 5 days to grow to 10.000)? and of the active members, who have visited the site in its new design, who are willing to engage in a group, and would prefer the old last.fm, how many did come across the Bring back the old last.fm group (since for example the group search isn't even turning it up)?

    therefore in my opinion the only just way would be to take the total number of users that have joined any group since the launch of this last.fm and set the membercount of the "bring back the old last.fm" group in relation to that number. then you'd roughly have the percentage of the overall userbase, this group is representing...
    i ♥ last.fm - the old one!
    join our group when you want to have it back too
  • Good god, took me a while to find the group because it doesn't come up in searches. Was able to join eventually, but it doesn't show up in the news feed. Damn bureaucratic bastards are not just trying to ignore us, they're also trying to silence us.
  • Equation flawed or not, it is all about numbers, I wish we had better access to some real numbers to really get something concrete, the stat's buffs most of us last.fmers are.

    I'm just saying that this groups needs some serious more numbers to impress me by numbers alone. 10,000 is a drop in the bucket for the community as a whole. It is impressive as an active representation of the community. And hopefully the staff is browsing that group and finding out some neat suggestions, because there is a select group from that 10,000 who have valid complaints and great feedback. but you also have a lot who are of the "OMG this just SuXOrs" variety as well, burying good feedback.

    You can be impressed with 10,000 users in five days, I'm just not. I won't convince you, you won't convince me. I want to put my energy into moving forward, actually trying to give information about the Radio bugs, instead of just writing it off as the fault of the new design. Looking for and suggesting there is a problem with the quotes in PMs showing up in xhtml, making a comment that if no search is found when searching for groups, it only shows sponsored and recent groups but doesn't tell you nothing was found.

    I'm bug hunting, not pining over what is lost. I've learned from other beta experiences. What was is not coming back. If it does, hell, I'll be the first to eat my words. You aren't the first "we want the old last.fm back group" You won't be the last.

    We may not all like it, but this is what we have to work with. I feel my energy is best put elsewhere, but hell, lots of grass roots endeavors have had success "See CBS and Jericho" so more power to you, but 10,000 ain't doing anything yet. That being said this beta developed 10 times differently than any other I have participated in. What we see today was not what we saw at the beginning of May. Other redesigns have always been shown to use and gone out exactly how we had seen them, with only small tweaks and bug fixes. We've seen some significant rearrangement of things during the beta process in my opinion. We haven't gotten all of our feedback taken into account, but we got a few. Go find my list of 10 things the staff listened too.

    10,000 members joining a group says something, but not much in my personal opinion, and I don't think that even making it a percent of all members who join groups as being a good settling, even that would be flawed, because let's say there are even 100,000 "active" group joining last.fmers, That gets you 10% of total active users, but there are say still 900,000, non active, but yet scrobblers. It's the music data that is valuable to last.fm and it's owners. They are still getting that.

    10,000 deleted accounts in 5 days... that may say something more, or perhaps 10,000,000 tracks scrobbled all the sudden down to 1,000,000, that would say something...

    We try to make some distinction that the "active" user base is somehow more important than the rest of the userbase. We may be more vocal, but I find us no more important than the rest of us. You'll need a much larger percentage of the total userbase in my opinion to make difference.

    You've gotten plenty of exposure here, just me bumping this thread gets you more, Any person who actually cares will find it. Who knows maybe it will make a difference, but flawed equation or not, I'm not impressed by 10,000 members in 5 days. I'm just not. You are welcome to be, it is an achievement none the less, but really it does bode the question "so what" you have your opinion on what that 'what' is, as do I, and a staff may have another, and the cold-hearted CBS exec another.

    By all means fight on, but you aren't impressing me. You might impress someone else, though, which is probably fine, because really even if I was impressed, it wouldn't get you anywhere anyway.
  • tomatobug said:
    Good god, took me a while to find the group because it doesn't come up in searches. Was able to join eventually, but it doesn't show up in the news feed. Damn bureaucratic bastards are not just trying to ignore us, they're also trying to silence us.


    paranoid much? The news feeds are occasionally not updating for all users. Clicky

    Can't explain the search, but I also can't find the "keep the new last.fm Group" or "I Love the new interface" groups either in the search.
    • said...
    • User
    • 22 Jul 2008, 18:54
    New profile page is toooo messy,some features are disappeared , why dont you keep old Last.fm??some new ideas could fit in the old version, too?? .
    I dont want to see any last.fm profile anymore.
    I dont care scrobbling etc.
    Now, for me last.fm is DEAD.
    At least there must be the opportunity to choose the version we want to use
    • naniel said...
    • Subscriber
    • 22 Jul 2008, 18:56
    I agree with Studogvetmed, the number is tiny in comparison with the number of users across the world.

    Also I don't see how this method would give a fairer reflection:
    "therefore in my opinion the only just way would be to take the total number of users that have joined any group since the launch of this last.fm and set the membercount of the "bring back the old last.fm" group in relation to that number. then you'd roughly have the percentage of the overall userbase, this group is representing..."

    Just because a user hasn't joined a group doesn't mean they are not active.
    • realjep said...
    • User
    • 22 Jul 2008, 18:59

    crazy crazy crazy

    This new website totally, really sucks! The interface is embarassing and non functional. Some things broken too. Last.fm was my best site, really!! I think you can still revert to the old good one but do it quick cause we are moving away.
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